Christian, Atheist & Psychotherapist Face-off on God & 10 Commandments

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Can faith, therapy and atheism agree on how to live well? A Christian, an Atheist and a Psychotherapist wrestle with commandments, marriage, autonomy and community. Pull up a barstool for raw, relatable conversation.

Hosted by BBC 1Xtra’s Theo Johnson, featured guests; Isaac Tendo, Sayo Talabi & Blessing Chanda. Three ways of seeing the world. One bar. All the questions that connect us.

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CHAPTERS:
0:00 – Are the Ten Commandments Still Relevant?
Isaac says the commandments are timeless, Sayo instantly disagrees, and Theo sets up a clash over rules, faith and control.
0:49 – Meet Sayo: What Atheism Means to Me
Sayo explains why she doesn’t believe in God, creationism or “evidence” for religion, and why she trusts human reasoning instead.
1:13 – Blessing’s Story: Faith, Therapy & Religious Trauma
Psychotherapist Blessing shares how working with trauma and being raised religious shaped her beliefs, doubts and clinical approach.
1:49 – Isaac’s Journey: From New Age to Pastor
Isaac opens up about depression, addiction and a radical encounter with God that led him into Christian ministry and youth pastoring.
2:13 – Were the Ten Commandments Made to Control People?
The guests debate whether commandments are divine protection or patriarchal control, and if they still apply outside a Christian context.
4:22 – Can You Be Moral Without Religion?
Sayo challenges the idea that morality comes from God, pointing to slavery, power and social context; Isaac defends a God-based ethic.
7:34 – Do Humans Really Need Rules?
Blessing questions whether we “need” rules or just seek stability, while Sayo argues for self-governance and social contracts over commandments.
12:28 – Marriage Without God: Ritual, Contract or Control?
They unpack marriage as ancient power deal, modern romance and social pressure, asking if non-religious marriage is just as valid.
15:04 – Why Women Are Pushed into Marriage First
Sayo calls out how girls are raised to prioritise weddings over experiences; Blessing sees the impact in therapy rooms.
19:19 – Is It Religion or People Doing the Damage?
From witch hunts to human rights, Sayo blames the church as an institution; Isaac separates God from man-made religion.
22:35 – Is Stealing Wrong If You’re Starving?
The table wrestles with survival, law and nuance—can a rigid “thou shalt not steal” cope with real-life poverty and hunger?
29:00 – Are Atheists Their Own Gods?
Isaac claims atheism makes the self the ultimate authority; Sayo rejects that framing and defends individual sovereignty without deifying herself.
31:03 – Evolution, Nature & the ‘Image of God’
They clash over evolution, the animal kingdom and whether humans are just another species or uniquely made in God’s image.
31:49 – Why Community Heals—With or Without Faith
Isaac sees community as part of God’s design; Blessing says both church and non-religious spaces can wound or heal us.
33:46 – Final Round: Purpose, Rules & Belief
Theo recaps; Sayo feels affirmed as an atheist, Blessing holds the tension of faith and therapy, and Isaac doubles down on Jesus and purpose.

CREDITS:
Host: Theo Johnson
Featuring: Isaac Tendo, Sayo Talabi & Blessing Chanda
Created by: James Walker
Director of Photography: Ricardo Mcleary-Campbell
Series Director: Femi Oyeniran
Series Producer: Delia Williams
Camera Operators: Fola Abatan, Alexander Rozerot Kirkwood, Giulio Piccirillo, Dan Howe, Jomar O’Meally
Gaffer: Duane Jay
Spark: Sachin Parmar
2nd AC: Marcellino Hockner
Assistant Producer: Lakesha Abrams
Casting By: LEVILE
Casting Assistant: Vanessa Mensah
Production Design: Wet Studio
Art Director: Hannah Eccles
Supervising Sound Editor: James Hynes
Sound Recordist: Declan Chew
Sound Assistant: Ada Walker
Digital Imaging Technician: Judy Tett
Make Up Artist: Tashana Francis
Photographer: Johnathan Williams
Location Assistants: Alex Bullock, Alex Lawrence, Mairéad Ruane
Editor: Olumide Odutuga
Series Edit Producer: Bec Gourlay 
Colourist: Freddie Reed
Post Production Sound: The Sound Directors
Graphics: Isabella Walker
Executive Producers: James Walker, Vikki McLachlan
Filmed on Location at: Stereo Covent Garden
With Thanks: Soho Sonic
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